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Wednesday, September 27, 2006

Winter Road Snow Removal

As I'm sure we are all aware, the road around our lake is private and maintained by the Lake Association. This summer at the Association Annual General Meeting a motion was passed to have ALL association members pay for year round road maintenance (including snow removal) beginning the year of 2007. This means the cost for snow removal 2007-8 will be estimated in next years dues (sent out in March 2007) and added onto our invoices. I'm expecting our fees will be $250.00 next year plus your contributions to the fish stocking program and Regatta.

This year however the road will be paid for by those who have paid in the past and those new people who plan to use the road this winter to come to their lots. Ken Geller (Geller #1003 kgeller@rogers.com) is the lead on arranging and collecting the money to pay the contractor.

Crockford has been awarded the road contract to plow only; Ken is collecting $350.00 from those who are using the road this winter. Crockford will offer driveway plowing from $100.00 for a push (2 truck lengths in) to $250.00 for 250 feet of drive. Mike O'Hara (O'Hara #1023 ohcsi@vianet.ca) is offering to blow driveways and I'm told you need to call him for a quote.

Sanding will be done on a voluntary basis, meaning those who need it will look after it. Sand is delivered to the turn around some time after Thanksgiving. There are blue plastic barrels along the road at the hills and will need to be filled. I would also suggest that each owner bring a 5 gallon pail, fill it on their way into the lot and leave it around the drive somewhere for their personal use, please do not use the sand in the barrels.

I will post a bulletin on the lake board as you enter the lake for those who may not have heard about this.



At 11:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sand is here..........you will notice it at the turn around as you arrive to the lake. Big pile right beside where the new lake sign bulletin board is going to be mounted on that rock face.

Everyone should feel free to help themselves to some of it for there driveways. Put it in a pile and cover it or just get some 5 gallon pails. You will need it if you are planning to come up this winter.

Myself, I will be taking some of it for the blue barrels you see on the side of the road. I'm just filling the right side barrels and hopefully someone is looking after the left side ones. These barrels are meant to be used for sanding the hills and in the past I have found people coming up for the day or weekend and empting them onto their driveways. Please, if you need it, take it but take the time to fill the barrel back up for the next person and your fellow road users.

Keeping those hills sanded not only helps those driving on the roads but greatly assists in the spring thaw. The sun heats up the sand and melts the ice and snow off the roads at a greater rate that if no sand was there.


At 12:10 PM, Blogger Leech Lake, Muskoka said...

I have noticed the contractor has been around and placed reflective markers around the road identifying dangerous spots for him when plowing. Please do not remove them.

If you have not paid for snow removal, please pay now.

Remember, we still need to sand when required because the contractor will not.


At 10:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

for those that use the road in the winter on a regular basis to keep up the road is a personal choice. for those that CHOOSE to live on a a lake year round, knowing the town does not keep up the roads, is a personal choice....those that are trying to force others...that have have not had a problem coming to the cottage to check on it in over 25 years....have parked at the turn around...used their 4 wheel drive...or walked across the ice on the lake.....because they KNEW the road was not maintained in the winter when they bought their cottage....is NOT gonna happen....we pay taxes to use a town road "as we find it"..we have found it with 3 feet of snow.....ice......and there have been times we have walked in......pulling a sled with water....sooooooooo.....folks need to remember....those that live there year round CHOSE to do so...why should we all have to pay for them to do so?

At 2:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the road around leech lake is NOT private!!!! it is a town road and that means u use it as u find it! it does not mean you can be forced to pay for folks that CHOOSE to live there year round to do so. it has never been maintained by the town, but unless the association bought that right of way without membership approval, it is NOT a private road, it is not maintained by the town....as many are not...but being a town road means u use it as u find it....and THAT is why the association was formed in the first place....to take care of the road, make it easier for folks to get to the cottage, it is a VOLUNTARY membership, but in the last few years those folks that have CHOSEN to live there year round have tried to force everyone to pay for them doing so....

At 3:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopefully I can add some clarity to the conversation. Speaking entirely for myself (as a full timer) I see the road as a common area that is shared by us all on an irregular basis. It is private and under the Lake Association constitution, its membership has undertaken the care and maintenance of it. The Association's constitution also states their purpose is to maintain and promote the year round enjoyment of its members.

At the Annual General Meeting (AGM of 2 years ago) it was approved by the members that the Association would supervise and contract the annual snow removal contract of 2006-7. Up till that time a number of us had contracted a local guy to clean the snow. The winter of 2006-7, the local guy refused to plow the left side of the lake over quality of service disagreements and personality clashes. Therefore the Association was approached by a number of its members concerned over access to their properties during the winter months along with the irregularities over price. The left side concerns driven by year round access and some of us on the right thinking maybe next year it could be us with this guy.

This last years AGM, the Association was approved again to supervise and contract the snow removal and they also voted that ALL members of the Association would pay equally for the 2007-8 snow removal year. Based on this years snow removal contact costs, an inflationary number would be added to it and invoiced in our 2007 membership dues. There were only 3 of us 'full-timers' at the meeting and the vote was almost unanimous.

The road in general and snow removal on the road has been a contentious issue ever since I've cottaged here (since 1980). I can honestly say our move to the lake full time would not make a difference whether the road was kept-up or winter plowed. I would just go buy a bigger truck or plow or whatever, we love lake living. However, I do support the road upgrade and maintaining it year round primarily due to the fact it improves every owners quality of life, by simply giving them reasonable access anytime they wish to come up.

Hope this adds to the conversation.

Don Hill

At 4:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is NOT a private road, it is a privately maintained road. it is a town road. there is a difference. so as i read mr. hill's comment, the solution seems simple. he states that all MEMBERS of the association will be charged for plowing the road for those that CHOOSE to either live or go to the cottage in the winter, and want to be able to pull into their driveway instead of walking in or dealing like so many have over the decades. that is fine....solution: don't be a member of the association...is NO law that says u have to ....the cottage property is urs, the road is a town road to be used as u find it...thank u mr. hill......i LIKE ur solution.....

At 7:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sent: March 14, 2007 6:29 PM
To: Ken Geller (Lake Association President)
Subject: Winter Road Emergency Access

Ken: We had an incident at our cottage on the weekend that points out an issue with winter road maintenance. We don't come up very often in winter, and we noticed that after the heavy snow in February that the plowed width of the road seemed to be rather narrow.

On Sunday, we had a fire at our cottage. The Fire Department was called but they refused to come out the road. They were able to bring a pickup truck out but not a pumper truck.

The issue of emergency protection was discussed at last year's meeting. A statement appears in the minutes 3.2.1 "the fire department does come into the lake every year to determine that proper access is maintained". Based on our experience, this is not the case.

The Firefighters issue was the width of the road access. If the Association is going to suggest emergency protection by assuming winter road management and putting it on the annual dues, then a clear specification for access width must become part of the arrangement with the plowing contractor. Unless this can be established, then I suspect there will be great difficulty in getting winter maintenance placed on the annual dues.

By the way, we were able to get a hose into the area of the fire, limiting the damage, but we very nearly lost the entire cottage. Note that response time for the Fire Department was an hour and 5 minutes.

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